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	<title>Comments on: Muni WiFi &#8212; let&#8217;s build a model</title>
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	<description>Mike O'Connor - St Paul, MN - geek entrepreneur type guy</description>
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		<title>By: Mariana @ St. Paul 4G Wireless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariana @ St. Paul 4G Wireless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, just doing some research for my St. Paul 4g website.  Lots of information out there.  Not quite what I was looking for, but very nice site.  Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, just doing some research for my St. Paul 4g website.  Lots of information out there.  Not quite what I was looking for, but very nice site.  Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: yirenshen</title>
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		<dc:creator>yirenshen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you!

&lt;strong&gt;Mike says:&lt;/strong&gt;

Sure thing.  There&#039;s a good article in today&#039;s New York Times that sorta bears me out.  The headline is &quot;Hopes for Wireless Cities Fade as Internet Providers Pull Out&quot;  Click &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/22wireless.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE &lt;/a&gt;to read the story.  Nobody can make those numbers work, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you!</p>
<p><strong>Mike says:</strong></p>
<p>Sure thing.  There's a good article in today's New York Times that sorta bears me out.  The headline is "Hopes for Wireless Cities Fade as Internet Providers Pull Out"  Click <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/22wireless.htm" rel="nofollow">HERE </a>to read the story.  Nobody can make those numbers work, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Armando Cuevas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armando Cuevas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

The link you have above for your article takes me to some British travel bureau&#039;s web site.  Would you please send me the corrent link.  

I am also not able to find the  url for &quot;St. Paul Broadband Committee&quot;..

Thanks,

Armando

&lt;strong&gt;Mike O&#039;Connor says...&lt;/strong&gt;

Argh...  that&#039;s what comes of changing your primary domain name.  Little straggling goof-ups.

They should all be fixed now.  Sorry about that.

m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>The link you have above for your article takes me to some British travel bureau's web site.  Would you please send me the corrent link.  </p>
<p>I am also not able to find the  url for "St. Paul Broadband Committee"..</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Armando</p>
<p><strong>Mike O'Connor says...</strong></p>
<p>Argh...  that's what comes of changing your primary domain name.  Little straggling goof-ups.</p>
<p>They should all be fixed now.  Sorry about that.</p>
<p>m</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you have two conflicting ideas, &quot;Municipal&quot; and &quot;financial reality&quot;. When government makes a bad mistake, they ask for more money. When a business does the same, they go out of business. Which model drives better resource utilization?

&lt;strong&gt;Mike&#039;s reply;&lt;/strong&gt;

So far, there&#039;s one municipality that really seems to have their act together -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bserv.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Burlington Network Services&lt;/a&gt; in Burlington, VT.  I just met the guy that really got that project turned around.  So I think there is hope, but it&#039;s tricky.  And certainly most of the wireless models you&#039;ve seen out there are proving themselves to be in a world of hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you have two conflicting ideas, "Municipal" and "financial reality". When government makes a bad mistake, they ask for more money. When a business does the same, they go out of business. Which model drives better resource utilization?</p>
<p><strong>Mike's reply;</strong></p>
<p>So far, there's one municipality that really seems to have their act together -- <a href="http://www.bserv.com/" rel="nofollow">Burlington Network Services</a> in Burlington, VT.  I just met the guy that really got that project turned around.  So I think there is hope, but it's tricky.  And certainly most of the wireless models you've seen out there are proving themselves to be in a world of hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: GeezerCast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GC023 &#8212; My &#8220;why I don&#8217;t like municipal WiFi&#8221; rant</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeezerCast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GC023 &#8212; My &#8220;why I don&#8217;t like municipal WiFi&#8221; rant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the things that has me bugged is that these projects don&#8217;t look like they&#8217;ll ever make money. I went so far as to post a financial model out there on the &#8216;net. Let&#8217;s do a little open-source financial modeling here and get these numbers out into the light of day instead of in the heads of the Voodoo consultants who are making lots of money walking cities down the primrose path. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the things that has me bugged is that these projects don&#8217;t look like they&#8217;ll ever make money. I went so far as to post a financial model out there on the &#8216;net. Let&#8217;s do a little open-source financial modeling here and get these numbers out into the light of day instead of in the heads of the Voodoo consultants who are making lots of money walking cities down the primrose path. [...]</p>
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